Thursday, February 21, 2008

Souki and I Discuss Kamei's Scandal and the Idol Business

Souki has a crappy view of idol agencies. >.<

February 20th, 2008
CatchFiveBats: Kamei...
CatchFiveBats: Scandal...
CatchFiveBats: D'''''':
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Whaaaat?
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: TOO LONG, DID NOT READ
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Paraphrase, ploz.
CatchFiveBats: Just glimpse over it.
CatchFiveBats: Cal got the idea of it from the article.
CatchFiveBats: If he's willing to do it, so can you.
CatchFiveBats: XD
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Heaves the biggest fucking SIGH on earth.
CatchFiveBats: I really am pretty upset about it.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Well, ok.
CatchFiveBats: Hopefully it doesn't go anywhere.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I hope it doesn't either, quite honestly.
CatchFiveBats: It's old news, so it's more likely to blow over than if it had happened recently.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Yeah.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: So...
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: it's not that they had sex
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: but that they went out?
CatchFiveBats: Yeah, she's an idol.
CatchFiveBats: And she was in Momusu at the time.
CatchFiveBats: She had just joined.
CatchFiveBats:'s pretty touchy shit.
CatchFiveBats: But it happened a while ago.
CatchFiveBats: Yeah, Kamei joined in '03.
CatchFiveBats: So it's at least 3 years old.
CatchFiveBats: She hasn't had any trouble since then, so I'm hoping they just count it as a newbie mistake and let it go.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Yeah.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I mean, I honestly expected nothing else.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: 1) noob.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: 2) Really, they suck the fucking soul out of you. I don't blame her for wanting to feel alive.
CatchFiveBats: What?
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I don't blame her for wanting a boyfriend, with how fucking strict H!P is with their purity facade.
CatchFiveBats: Well, girls are expected to know what they're getting into when they become idols.
CatchFiveBats: The so-called purity 'facade' is one of the crucial points of idols.
CatchFiveBats: Without the purity ticket, a lot of them wouldn't be where they are now.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: What, it's NOT a "facade"?
CatchFiveBats: I just don't like that term.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Nor do I but that's exactly what it is. Sadly.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: In any case
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I still expected her to do this.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Just as I expect any teenager growing up to want to take risks and rebel against the Powers That Be.
CatchFiveBats: I don't know how you could have 'expected' this. It's no different from an actress being expected to act well.
CatchFiveBats: From a professionalism point of view.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Except Japan's fucking unreasonably strict with that purity lie they try to feed people. How can they NOT wanna take a risk?
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Shit, They'll never know the other side unless they try it, and I don't blame any of those kids for wanting that.
CatchFiveBats: Desire isn't the issue here.
CatchFiveBats: Idols just aren't supposed to do that.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: So? They're kids.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: They make mistakes like anyone
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: and they want things like anyone.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: So they do em.
CatchFiveBats: Doesn't change anything.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: And fuck the powers that be. Hell, we do it here in America.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Can't blame them for wanting a taste of life.
CatchFiveBats: Idolism is a career, and part of that career is staying out of the dating game. When an idol gets to be in her 20's, then it's usually okay. At least, with H!P, since by that point she's probably in the Elder Club anyway.
CatchFiveBats: See: Iida Kaori, Tsuji Nozomi.
CatchFiveBats: They were old enough that it didn't really affect their image as an idol. By that point they're just personalities.
CatchFiveBats: As much as those rules suck, they're still the rules.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Mmm. I dunno. Even despite that, and despite whatever Japan teaches their kids, I see them wanting to risk it.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: So I honestly couldn't blame Risako if she were texting a guy before a show.
CatchFiveBats: Regardless, I don't blame Kamei. She had just joined, so it's probably just her lacking proper judgement skills.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I don't blame her either, honestly.
CatchFiveBats: I mean, the guy said she texted him about her first concert.
CatchFiveBats: So she had seriously JUST joined.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Yeah
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: She WAS a n00b.
CatchFiveBats: Yeah.
CatchFiveBats: But in cases like Kago, I think it's reasonable to expel, even if I don't like it.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Kago, yeah. She DID mar the reputation far and beyond.
CatchFiveBats: Underage smoking, relations with an older man...and well into your career with the company...
CatchFiveBats: Bad, bad decisions, kago.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Kago, yes, absolutely.
CatchFiveBats: But I think Kamei just didn't understand the severity of what she was doing.
CatchFiveBats: And that obviously clicked with her, cause the relationship ended.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: But if it were Risako or Maasa or one of them just meeting a boy for a movie or such, come the fucking hell on. I can't blame them even if the rules did.
CatchFiveBats: If Risako or Maasa get caught doing something like that, it will NOT end well.
CatchFiveBats: I think that rules are rules.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: That's cause you're too logical about it.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: but for everyone else, they don't mind risking it.
CatchFiveBats: But it's not about that. No matter the person, no matter how bad they want it, they agreed when they took the job to NOT do that.
CatchFiveBats: And if they can't keep that promise, something has to be done.
CatchFiveBats: You can't just let that slide.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Of course you can't, you gotta keep the mirage alive.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I dunno.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Kago was one thing
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: but again, I wouldn't care if rules were rules. I don't blame any one of those girls for wanting to risk it. I've done it, you've done it, Cal's done it, we've all done it, even when rules were rules.
CatchFiveBats: That doesn't change anything.
CatchFiveBats: They still made an agreement upon becoming an idol.
CatchFiveBats: I don't care how human someone is, it's an agreement.
CatchFiveBats: H!P deals harshly with that stuff because they have to make it known that they take their idols seriously.
CatchFiveBats: If they just let their girls do what they wanted all willy-nilly, the whole thing would be shot.
CatchFiveBats: An idol isn't an idol when she's taken.
CatchFiveBats: That's just how the business operates.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Who the fucking fuck would wanna be THAT?
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: the epitome of a walking china doll.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: I don't get it.
CatchFiveBats: I know you don't.
CatchFiveBats: You don't have to.
CatchFiveBats: But, regardless, that's how it works.
CatchFiveBats: And they aren't like a walking china doll. It's not all about the looks.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Whaddya mean? It's everything like a china doll. For your viewing pleasure, to never touch, and to just move on when you find the next prettier one.
CatchFiveBats: There's more to it than that. Idol agencies don't just find random pretty girls and say "Okay, you're in!". They find cute girls with interesting/good personalities and play off that.
CatchFiveBats: To the uninitiated, it seems to be all about the pretty girls.
CatchFiveBats: But a girl who's just a pretty face won't make it in the idol world.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Personalities? As if 90% of anything they do isn't scripted.
CatchFiveBats: Honestly, I don't think it's all scripted.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Some things may not be, you're right
CatchFiveBats: I think the agencies give them an idea of how they want them to play off of how they already are, and then they let them run with it.
CatchFiveBats: Which is why H!P has such a long training phase before the girls are actually brought into the public eye.
CatchFiveBats: It gives them time to learn what to do and not do during appearances and such. Also, during this time they learn to sing the songs and do the dances, and the agency has time to get to know what the girl is like, so as to make her an appealing idol without forcing her to be someone she's not.
CatchFiveBats: There's a balance there. It's not all "YOU BE CUTE IN THIS WAY OR ELSE" from the agency.
CatchFiveBats: There's a nurturing part that the agency plays, too.
CatchFiveBats: If they didn't take care of their idols, the average girl wouldn't stick around.
CatchFiveBats: And since H!P is made up almost entirely of regular girls who get in through auditions, it would make sense that they take care of them.
CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT: Mmmm

It had become obvious at that point that Souki had lost interest.
- cfb

P.S. If it seems like Souki and I now hate each other or something, read my next post.

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