This is a continuation of my
last post, so make sure to read that before you read this one. Basically, Souki looked over the previous post and wanted to correct a few things.
February 21st, 2008CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
it wasn't that I lost interest, it was that I couldn't pretend to argue with someone who's obviously more versed than I am XDCatchFiveBats:
Ahhhh.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
What I was arguing from the beginning is that I didn't blame any H!P idol for being sneaky about it.CatchFiveBats:
mmmCatchFiveBats:
I get what you're saying.CatchFiveBats:
And, honestly, I really can't either.CatchFiveBats:
But that doesn't change the fact that they're not allowed to.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
The rules ARE the rules, totally.CatchFiveBats:
And that they're out of H!P if they do it.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah, that won't change at all.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I dunnoCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I thinkCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
what it is with me is that I see H!P like DisneyCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I shouldn't, totallyCatchFiveBats:
Yeahhhhh, not like Disney...CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
but I mean, you have Hannah Montana having a boyfriend and not putting on her seatbeltCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
and she's still very much idolized.CatchFiveBats:
But it's not idolizing in the same sense, really...CatchFiveBats:
I mean, I see what you mean.CatchFiveBats:
And it's a good point.CatchFiveBats:
But Japanese idols play such a severely different role from those that are idolized over here that you can't compare them.CatchFiveBats:
Or even approach them in the same way.CatchFiveBats:
Because then you just end up hating the idol business in Japan.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah, totally. CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I guess it's not a slave trade, but it IS rather strict, comparatively.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Since the "idol" thing is kind of a side-effect here in America.CatchFiveBats:
But keep in mind that this is in Japan.CatchFiveBats:
They're a much more hardworking society than us.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah, it keeps them disciplinedCatchFiveBats:
Exactly.CatchFiveBats:
It's not that much more strict than pop 'idols' over here, when you take that aspect into account.CatchFiveBats:
I mean, it's more.CatchFiveBats:
But not as much as you would think.CatchFiveBats:
From what I know, anyway.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
No, it definitely is. Idols are a business in Japan.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
HereCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Vanessa Hudgens, miss High School Musical, had a nude photo scandal thingamajig.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
And she's still on for the next movie, from what I hear.CatchFiveBats:
Yeah.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Disney's keeping her.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
It's definitely less strictCatchFiveBats:
In Japan, if nude pictures of an idol surface, she's fucked.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
and the "idol" thing is definitely a side-effect. It comes riding on the coattails of the initial success. if that makes sense.CatchFiveBats:
Exactly.CatchFiveBats:
In Japan, idols are that, and only that.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah. Here they're primarily something else.CatchFiveBats:
Over here, it's just idolizing someone famous.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Idols are literally IDOLS in japan. Almost like buddha statues you pray to.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
only not quite like that.CatchFiveBats:
Sort of, yeah.CatchFiveBats:
It's like in Haruka 17.CatchFiveBats:
They give people dreams.CatchFiveBats:
Or, in the case of wotas, something to live for.CatchFiveBats:
Since most of them can't get a real girlfriend anyway.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Lolz, I totally wish wotas didn't see it like that...it gives me lulz. Pitiful lulz, but lulz nonetheless.CatchFiveBats:
They're a different type of otaku, and you know how otakus are viewed over there.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah. They're maybe one step above gaijins XDCatchFiveBats:
Heh.CatchFiveBats:
Something like that.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I dunno the hierarchy. I just know every japo girl's gonna want my black shaft.CatchFiveBats:
XDCatchFiveBats:
Wotas outside of Japan are a different story, though.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah.CatchFiveBats:
They're just into it because they like seeing cute girls do stuff.CatchFiveBats:
And be cute.CatchFiveBats:
And sing and dance.CatchFiveBats:
For most of them, it's not a lifestyle.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah.CatchFiveBats:
In my case...yeah, basically a lifestyle...CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Still...CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I agree that idols are personalities, like you said, besides being pretty facesCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
but some things just ARE scripted...CatchFiveBats:
Yeah, of course.CatchFiveBats:
They're obviously given a lot of direction on how to act and all that.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
I mean, god, some things are just too fucking obvious...CatchFiveBats:
Yeah, for sure.CatchFiveBats:
As an example, talking to the camera on the alo-hello DVDs ("I love meetings the fans, blah blah blah, watch my DVD a trillion times")...I'd be very, very surprised if they actually liked most of the wotas that come to handshake events.CatchFiveBats:
>.<CatchFiveBats:
They scare even me.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
That's where I stop thinking an idol is cute. When it becomes so terrifyingly fake. Because I'm not a wota, but I definitely think Kago Ai has wit and Maasa Sudo's too fucking cool.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
But that video you showed me recently....CatchFiveBats:
...?CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
the one with all the "YAY"s CatchFiveBats:
Heh?CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
There's a girl in the videoCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
and she's watching the singer do her thing on a televisionCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
and then she's mimicking herCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
and stuffCatchFiveBats:
I have no idea what you're talking about.CatchFiveBats:
XDCatchFiveBats:
I've watched a LOT of H!P stuff recently.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
If I could hum it XDCatchFiveBats:
Was it on a talk show?CatchFiveBats:
Or was it like an idol DVD thing?CatchFiveBats:
Or what?CatchFiveBats:
I'll know if you give me more details.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
music video.CatchFiveBats:
hmmmmCatchFiveBats:
Momusu?CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Not momusu.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
It's one girlCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Koharu!CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Right?CatchFiveBats:
OHCatchFiveBats:
OHCatchFiveBats:
XDCatchFiveBats:
Koi Kana is fucking ridiculous.CatchFiveBats:
That's a terrible example.CatchFiveBats:
XDCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
XDCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
yeah, probablyCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
but you get what I meanCatchFiveBats:
Koharu is a terrible example.CatchFiveBats:
Yes, I do.CatchFiveBats:
And there are GOOD examples (XD) that would better prove your point.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Yeah, totally, I dunno. Pick any lame momusu vid where they do the peace sign winking thing.CatchFiveBats:
lulz...Reina...CatchFiveBats:
~.^ VCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
KILLCatchFiveBats:
I think that's cute.CatchFiveBats:
But anyway, as a wota, you learn to deal with the fake, cheesy stuff.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Obviously if you're moe~, but I'd probably value an idol that's more like Maasa or Kago Ai.CatchFiveBats:
Yeah.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Where mostly you do say "damn she's so fucking cool/cute" genuinelyCatchFiveBats:
I've never seen Maasa seem fake.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Me either, honestly. She's always kicked ass and taken names. CatchFiveBats:
I think Kago acted more childish than she really was sometimes...to fit into the moe mold...CatchFiveBats:
But yeah, she's a hoot.CatchFiveBats:
Or...was...CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
she left?CatchFiveBats:
Yeah, Kago was expelled.CatchFiveBats:
Remeeeeember???CatchFiveBats:
We talked about this.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
THAT was THE Kago??CatchFiveBats:
YESCatchFiveBats:
THAT WAS THE KAGOCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
FUCK NOCatchFiveBats:
Yeah, she's the only Kago.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
AWW KAGOCatchFiveBats:
I know, it sucked.CatchFiveBats:
And was really random.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
What the hell. XDCantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
That's where the facade comment comes in, too. You never really know a person. You're just enthralled with the person you see on TV.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
See, I had NO clue that was THE Kago.CatchFiveBats:
Yeah.CatchFiveBats:
She had a really shitty family situation, though.CantSpellShotaWithoutHOT:
Really?
CatchFiveBats:
Yeah...
From there, I went on to explain Kago's family situation, and that was that. Hopefully this alleviates any issues that could have come about from the previous post.
- cfb
