To give this some context, I had sent Cal a link to an American Wota forum post, and I guess he just started wandering around looking at things. Also, this is kind of a response to Maple GreanTea's post comparing Disney and H!P as companies.
January 28, 2008
pootyfrebbles: I love the thread in the Complete Randomness forum bashing Hanna Montana for being popular
CatchFiveBats: lulz
CatchFiveBats: Even though it's not the same thing at all.
pootyfrebbles: Similar enough, I think
CatchFiveBats: No.
pootyfrebbles: I can see the argument, but I think that Disney is as close to an American H!P as there can be
pootyfrebbles: They target the same demographic, for the most part.
CatchFiveBats: But they're not.
CatchFiveBats: I mean, not close.
CatchFiveBats: The target audience isn't the same at all.
CatchFiveBats: Well...
CatchFiveBats: Alright, partly it is.
pootyfrebbles: You're saying that H!P has the intent of targeting 20+ year old males?
CatchFiveBats: Actually, yeah, that's where a lot of their promo merchandise goes.
CatchFiveBats: But wotadom is not something that exists in America, and ESPECIALLY not for Disney.
pootyfrebbles: I'm talking about the company
pootyfrebbles: Not the fans
CatchFiveBats: I think the company wants to make money, and wotas spend money like it's going to give them AIDS.
CatchFiveBats: So they pander to wotas.
CatchFiveBats: I mean, obviously Momusu is popular in the mainstream.
CatchFiveBats: But official UFA pictures and photobooks and stuff aren't made for 'normal' fans.
CatchFiveBats: And especially not for tween girls who look up to Tanaka Reina cause she's cool.
pootyfrebbles: Teenage boys are probably the target demographic for those kinds of things. Like American boys, Japanese boys are likely to have a crush on some celebrity, and want pictures or posters of them, or whatever. The Japanese mindset just allows it to go a bit past pin ups.
CatchFiveBats: Perhaps.
pootyfrebbles: I really doubt that there are as many wotas as anyone thinks there are.
pootyfrebbles: Japan is a very easy country to travel in
CatchFiveBats: ...?
pootyfrebbles: I wouldn't be surprised if the people in those stadiums are from every corner of Japan.
CatchFiveBats: Me either.
CatchFiveBats: I dunno.
CatchFiveBats: There's no way to know.
CatchFiveBats: But I think that Disney aims at a much younger, and less mature, audience than H!P.
CatchFiveBats: And that makes it extremely difficult for me to agree with your statement.
pootyfrebbles: I don't think that wotas don't account for much, trust me. I know that they do. I just don't think that they make up the majority of the fanbase.
CatchFiveBats: It's not about numbers, though...it's about how much each sect of the fanbase contributes to UFA's pockets.
CatchFiveBats: And wotas do a fucking ton of that.
CatchFiveBats: Especially the ones that spend $2 per picture on 100's of pictures, and buy limited edition versions of the albums & singles, and own all the photobooks, and the DVDs, and the calendars, and blah blah blah.
CatchFiveBats: 1 wota buys as much shit as probably 30 'normal' fans would.
CatchFiveBats: And I would say that wotas account for 1/4-1/3 of the audience at H!P concerts, at least, from what I've seen on live DVDs.
CatchFiveBats: In a group of 100 H!P concert attenders, going by those stats, that's 75 (approx) total units of merchandise purchased by casual fans, and 750 (approx) total units purchased by wotas.
CatchFiveBats: That's crazy.
pootyfrebbles: Things are probably very different in Japan. Here in the US, you have a very direct view at the fanbase of any given thing, but when looking at Japan, your only viewpoint comes from what you read online, and what you see on concert DVDs. I wouldn't be surprised if parents DON'T take their kids to H!P concerts because they know what kind of people are going to be there.
pootyfrebbles: I'm just saying that your view is most likely extremely skewed.
pootyfrebbles: I'm not saying that wotas don't account for anything, because they most certainly do. I just don't think it's near as much as most American wotas think. Never having been to or lived in Japan, not having socialized and been around the general population, is a very crippling thing. Since you're here, you see Americans every day. You have a MUCH better idea of what the average American likes than you do the average Japanese.
pootyfrebbles: There's just way too much information that is TOTALLY unnaccounted for.
CatchFiveBats: I see your point.
CatchFiveBats: And you may be right.
CatchFiveBats: But I still think that wotas are the crippling factor in comparing Disney and H!P.
pootyfrebbles: I can see how they would be. But to go back to the near first point that I made, it's the companies, and the music they make, that I'm talking about.
CatchFiveBats: Yeah.
CatchFiveBats: Comparing just about anything in Japan to anything is America is nearly impossible, anyway.
pootyfrebbles: But it's obvious that neither of us are going to agree.
pootyfrebbles: So it's stupid to argue further.
CatchFiveBats: Musically, and only musically, Disney is as close as you're gonna get.
CatchFiveBats: But, overall, they're too different to compare.
pootyfrebbles: I STILL don't think so, but okay
CatchFiveBats: NO MORE ARGUING
CatchFiveBats: I LOVE YOU CAL
pootyfrebbles: I LOVE YOU TOO
CatchFiveBats: *MAKE OUT*
pootyfrebbles: EEEEEEW
pootyfrebbles: I don't like kisses.
pootyfrebbles: D:
CatchFiveBats: Oh?
CatchFiveBats: TOO BAD
CatchFiveBats: *smooch*
pootyfrebbles: Oh, you brute
XD
- Zac
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